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The back cover of volume one of Martian Successor Nadesico proclaims in bold letters, "Love. War. Giant Robots.", which is refreshingly direct. We flipped a coin between this and Crest of the Stars last night.

I know that the traditional description for anime and manga is that it's on crack, but this is on speed, I think, or possibly on both crack and speed. It goes by very fast, so fast that I couldn't tell you most of the characters' names, and often couldn't tell you what they just said. Though it starts out seriously, with the invasion and conquest of Mars, it rapidly reveals itself to be a humorous take on the aforementioned love, war, and giant robots, with more than a bit of scary Japanese id thrown in. (For instance: the father who walks in on his twenty-year-old daughter changing, and thereafter refers to his daughter's giant boobs every time he speaks of her? This is apparently supposed to be funny. Go away, Japanese id, you are scary.)

Anyway, in the 22nd century, Mars and the Moon were overrun by Jovian lizards, and Earth is under siege. The military sucks, so a private company has comissioned the ship of the title and staffed it with a bunch of cute-to-Japanese-anime-fans girls, an overly-dramatic fanboy, and a survivor of the Martian invasion who has a mystery in his past and just wants to be a cook. That's the war and giant robots; for the love, there's an extremely unfortunate romantic subplot involving the ship's captain, who veers wildly between captain-y competence and abject and humiliating pursuit of the wannabe cook.

I do like that the show is commenting on anime tropes by having some of the characters be fans of a classic giant robot anime, though I'm unsure about the way it is commenting (more on that behind the cut). And I'm curious about the Jovians and the mysterious past of the wannabe cook. But the breathless pace, the scary Japanese id, and the really horrible romantic subplot may keep us from getting far in this—I don't know. Anyone who's seen all of it want to comment: no spoilers, please, but general comments on whether it's worth my time?

Oh, one other thing I like: one of the cute-to-Japanese-anime-fans girls can be counted on to say that the overly-dramatic characters are idiots. Chad: "They've written you into the show!"

Spoilers:

The death of the fanboy. Either the emotional logic of the show is all wrong, or the show is a lot more subtle than I would expect from everything else about it.

He gets shot by escaping prisoners, who apparently then leave because they're never mentioned again. The wannabe cook identifies this with the moving self-sacrifice in battle of a character in the classic anime, and bursts out at one point that he gave his life to defend the ship and save others, so on and so forth.

Except, well, he didn't. He didn't prevent the escape, he didn't raise the alarm about the escape, he didn't even try to do any of those things. He was shot, he died, the end.

So either we're supposed to buy into the tragic purposeful self-sacrifice, which is stupid because it doesn't match the facts, or the show is deliberately contrasting the way anime portrays death with the "reality," to undercut the anime portrayal.

Which, as I said, would be a level of subtlety that I would not expect given the rest of the evidence.

That all said, I do thank [livejournal.com profile] yhlee for loaning us these. Even if we don't keep watching, apparently it's a very popular series and good to at least try.

Date: 2006-07-29 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
I don't want to say that much about the plot, and I haven't seen the show quite all the way through to the end yet, so I can't weigh its success rate... but it is, in fact, that subtle. It's trying to undercut everything, including itself. That said, I have no idea whether you'll find it worth it, because you seem to find several things about it annoying that didn't particularly bother me.
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Date: 2006-07-30 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
Well, Yurika and the whole romantic plot. I found it hilarious because it is a direct parody of the stupidest bit of Gundam Wing, an otherwise brilliant show which fell down majorly in some parts of the romance department.

In fact, I should recount one scene from Gundam Wing, because otherwise there is a scene in Nadesico that will make *no frickin' sense*. In GW, Relena Peacecraft is the daughter of a high-ranking diplomat, who happens to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and sees the touchdown of an enemy robot and the face of the supposedly covert operative piloting it. In fact, she gives him first aid and is generally helpful. He transfers into her high school (yes, this is anime logic) in order to track her down and kill her so that she can't reveal his physical description to her government. Her first action upon seeing him is to invite him to her birthday party. (Did I mention that she has the self-preservation instincts of a bunny rabbit?)

He tears her invitation into little pieces and stalks out, hissing "I'm going to kill you," into her ear as he leaves. And Relena, overwhelmed with curiosity, immediately develops a romantic obsession with him and finding out who he is and why he's trying to kill her, and the viewers collectively wince, groan and wonder why she doesn't just jump off a building as it would be easier and less painful for everyone concerned including said viewers. Seriously, this scene was famous *in Japan* for Romance Defying All Earth Logic.

Which is why Nadesico blatantly rips it off and jumps up and down on it. I don't know if you've had that scene yet, but it's in there, only it doesn't go the way it did in the original...

And so, while Yurika's chasing of Akito is aggravating, I find it very funny and tend to write it off as the forces of plot making her do it. In addition, she will never in ten million years achieve one-sixteenth the concentrated annoying of Relena Peacecraft, and every time I see her I breathe a sigh of relief about that. (You know you've got a problem when a parody of a character is infinitely more likeable than the character herself.) It's kind of a shame really, because Gundam Wing is one of the most interesting pieces of fiction dealing with the philosophy of war and violence that I've ever seen, and I wish I could recommend it more highly, but a) the official translation is somewhere beyond abominable, and b) there is Relena.

Date: 2006-07-29 11:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
I think that to truly appreciate the awesomeness of Martian Successor Nadesico, you've got to have a good grounding in the classic space opera/giant robot animes (e.g. Mobile Suit Gundam, Macross/Robotech, G-force/Battle of the Planets/whatever the original Japanese series was, etc.). It may work otherwise, but it seems to me like you'd be missing half the jokes if you're not too familiar with the genre it's parodying.

Date: 2006-07-31 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelhedgie.livejournal.com
Aww, Gundam's not so bad. I'd recommend starting with one of the shorter series, like 08th MS Team, 0080 or 0083, than one of the longer ones. (You'd probably get into the 6-ep 0080 series.) Also, the original series and SEED (and Zeta soon) can be gotten in condensed movie format.

Oh, there is one name that's important to remember - the little girl in the shelter is named Ai. You'd kill me if I say anymore, though.

Date: 2006-07-31 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelhedgie.livejournal.com
Oh, and two more things:

Everyone loves Ruri, if for no other reason that she speaks to the cynic in all of us.

Also, one of the characters in the series is an homage to one of the top female voice actresses in Japan. (Figuring out who and who is left as an exercise for the reader.) But it's not hammered over your head - to figure it out, you have to know the particular VA's background, and then the realization hits you.

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